Comments on: Why even our readers should save enough to live for 6-24 months https://80000hours.org/2015/11/why-everyone-even-our-readers-should-save-enough-to-live-for-6-24-months/ Wed, 14 Dec 2022 14:18:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.2 By: Benjamin Todd https://80000hours.org/2015/11/why-everyone-even-our-readers-should-save-enough-to-live-for-6-24-months/#comment-351 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 14:13:00 +0000 http://80000hours.org/?p=34828#comment-351 In reply to Patrick Brinich-Langlois.

I think that’s a good point, though credit card debt can be very expensive, so you’d need to factor that in, and this strategy significantly increases your risk of bankruptcy.

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By: Benjamin Todd https://80000hours.org/2015/11/why-everyone-even-our-readers-should-save-enough-to-live-for-6-24-months/#comment-350 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 14:11:00 +0000 http://80000hours.org/?p=34828#comment-350 Yes – if your spouse will support you if you run into problems then you’ve got more runway and security.

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By: Patrick Brinich-Langlois https://80000hours.org/2015/11/why-everyone-even-our-readers-should-save-enough-to-live-for-6-24-months/#comment-346 Sun, 22 Nov 2015 23:57:00 +0000 http://80000hours.org/?p=34828#comment-346 What about the role of credit? I could live on credit cards for at least six months (without reducing my living expenses). Some people also have parents that might act as informal creditors in times of need.

I suppose if things went really badly, such a strategy could result in a poor credit score and large interest payments. But it seems that credit should count for at least something, and I didn’t see it mentioned.

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By: Aeolienne https://80000hours.org/2015/11/why-everyone-even-our-readers-should-save-enough-to-live-for-6-24-months/#comment-339 Wed, 11 Nov 2015 18:20:00 +0000 http://80000hours.org/?p=34828#comment-339 In reply to Alexander Gordon-Brown.

Also note that equity remaining in a property is counted as savings, if you’re not living in said property. So you would be worse off if you let out your home and moved to another part of the country.

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By: Evan Gaensbauer https://80000hours.org/2015/11/why-everyone-even-our-readers-should-save-enough-to-live-for-6-24-months/#comment-337 Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:30:00 +0000 http://80000hours.org/?p=34828#comment-337 Hi Ben,

there was a long discussion thread on the CFAR alumni mailing list last year about starting a ‘mutual aid society’ (MAS). Someone suggested it could be for CFAR alumni, rationalists, and effective altruists. I think in practice that could turn out to be thousands of people who don’t have a common affiliation, so it would be unmanageable. It would just exacerbate the challenges listed above. I think the CFAR community if it starts its own MAS will thus limit it to alumni only. This is a position I would endorse.

Another barrier to an MAS for even just CFAR alumni may be, due to legal limitations, it might be limited to residents of the United States as an official or incorporated organization. This would making an MAS for all CFAR alumni less feasible as the community is increasingly becoming international. I was going to look into it, but I never did since the thread died. Anyway, you can search the CFAR google group for the discussion. There were good discussions of pros and cons which could inform the potential of a community in the same reference class as ‘effective altruism’ or ‘80,000 Hours members’ on the value of a community insurance scheme. Anyway, you could revive that thread, or start a new one discussing a community insurance scheme for 80k and/or CFAR members, and see what the hivemind thinks.

If there was some startup or preferred for-profit insurance company for the rationality and effective altruism communities, it could solve the other problems, but, like you wrote, it would be more expensive.

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By: Alexander Gordon-Brown https://80000hours.org/2015/11/why-everyone-even-our-readers-should-save-enough-to-live-for-6-24-months/#comment-336 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 23:07:00 +0000 http://80000hours.org/?p=34828#comment-336 (Cross-posted from Facebook)
Take welfare in your country into account, but bear in mind that depending how much you’ve saved you might become ineligible. e.g. in the UK housing benefit stops after you have above 16k GBP in savings, which depending on your living costs could be less than the 6 – 24 months of runway.

Also, some of the cases given would render you potentially ineligible for welfare where the welfare is essentially conditional on taking the first job that you can find (e.g. taking a year out to deliberately build career capital in a particular field).

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